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==Resourcefulness==
==Resourcefulness==

Revision as of 19:46, 7 September 2023

Charts

Charts are created using the data points directly taken from the game. Therefore, if there is a mismatch between chart and explanation, it is better to look at chart info.

For example, even though the formula might give 32.5, in game this might get rounded to 33.

Attribute Stats

Stats that come from character's attributes.

Strength

Physical Power

Physical Power governs your Physical Power Bonus.

0 Strength starts at = 0 Physical Power

Every Strength point gives an increase to Physical Power

  • 0 -> 0
  • 0 to 100 = 1 each, up to 100

Physical Power Bonus

Physical Power Bonus governs the potency of your physical damage dealing weapons, utility items and abilities.

0 Physical Power starts at = -80% Physical Power Bonus

Every Physical Power point gives a  % increase to overall Physical Power Bonus depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -80%
  • 0 to 5 = 10% each, up to -30%
  • 5 to 7 = 5% each, up to -20%
  • 7 to 11 = 3% each, up to -8%
  • 11 to 15 = 2% each, up to 0%
  • 15 to 50 = 1% each, up to 35%
  • 50 to 100 = 0.5% each, up to 60%

Max Health

Max Health governs your character's maximum available health points.

0 Strength starts at = 60 Max Health

Every Strength point gives an increase to Max Health depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> 60
  • 0 to 10 = 3 each, up to 90
  • 10 to 50 = 2 each, up to 170
  • 50 to 75 = 1 each, up to 195
  • 75 to 100 = 0.5 each, up to 207.5


Agility

Action Speed

Action Speed governs the speed at which you interact with your weapons, meaning stowing, swapping, reloading or attacking with weapons, as well as the speed of usage of consumables.

0 Agility starts at = -38% Action Speed

Every agility point gives a  % increase to action speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -38%
  • 0 to 10 = 3% each, up to -8%
  • 10 to 13 = 2% each, up to -2%
  • 13 to 25 = 1% each, up to 10%
  • 25 to 41 = 1.5% each, up to 34%
  • 41 to 50 = 1% each, up to 43%
  • 50 to 100 = 0.5% each, up to 68%

Move Speed

Move Speed governs the speed at which your character moves. This stat is also directly influenced by wearing gear. Every 1 point in Move Speed is equal to 0.3333...% Move Speed. The default Move Speed for each class is 300, which translates to 100% Move Speed, with penalties or bonuses provided based on Agility. Performing certain actions, such as attacking, or moving in certain directions will also affect Move Speed. Backwards = 60%, Crouch = 65%, Walk = 65%.

0 Agility starts at = -30 Move Speed

Every agility point gives a flat increase to Move Speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -30 Move Speed
  • 0 to 15 = 2 each, up to 0
  • 15 to 45 = 1 each, up to 30
  • 45 to 65 = 0.5 each, up to 40 (Technically 1 Move Speed every 2 Agility. Agility can not provide decimal Move Speed.)
  • 65 to 100 = 0.33 each, up to 51 Move Speed (Same as above, 1 Move Speed every 3 Agility.)


Item Equip Speed

Item Equip Speed exclusively governs the speed at which you equip armors, as equipping weapons, jewelry and utility items is instant.

0 Agility starts at = -95% Item Equip Speed

Every agility point gives a  % increase to Item Equip Speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -95%
  • 0 to 1 = 0% each, up to -95%
  • 1 to 2 = 4% each, up to -91%
  • 2 to 15 = 7% each, up to 0%
  • 15 to 35 = 5% each, up to 100%
  • 35 to 70 = 2% each, up to 170%
  • 70 to 100 = 1% each, up to 200%


Interaction Speed

Increase Interaction Speed value * 0.4.

Check Interaction Speed for more

Will

Magic Power

Magic Power governs your Magic Power Bonus.

0 Will starts at = 0 Magic Power

Every Will point gives an increase to Magic Power

  • 0 -> 0
  • 0 to 100 = 1 each, up to 100

Magic Power Bonus

Magic Power bonus governs the potency of your magical spells, magical damage dealing abilities and magical healing abilities.

0 Magic Power starts at = -90% Magic Power Bonus

Every Magic Power point gives a  % increase to Magic Power Bonus depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -90%
  • 0 to 1 = 0% each, up to -90%
  • 1 to 5 = 10% each, up to -50%
  • 5 to 15 = 5% each, up to -0%
  • 15 to 25 = 3% each, up to 30%
  • 25 to 40 = 2% each, up to 60%
  • 40 to 50 = 1% each, up to 70%
  • 50 to 100 = 0.5% each, up to 95%


Magic Resistance

Magic Resistance governs your Magical Damage Reduction.

0 Will starts at = -20 Magic Resistance

Every Will point gives an increase to Magic Resistance depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -20
  • 0 to 5 = 4 each, up to 0
  • 5 to 35 = 3 each, up to 90
  • 35 to 55 = 2 each, up to 130
  • 55 to 65 = 1 each, up to 140
  • 65 to 91 = 0.5 each, up to 153 (increases by 1 every 2 points)
  • 91 to 92 = -1 -> 152 (probably a mistake)
  • 92 to 94 = 1 each, up to 154
  • 94 to 100 = 0.5 each, up to 157 (increases by 1 every 2 points)

Magical Damage Reduction

Magical Damage Reduction governs your resistance to magical damage dealing weapons, spells and projectiles.

Magic Resistance can go as low as -300 = -595% Magical Damage Reduction

0 Magic Resistance starts at = -10% Magical Damage Reduction

Magic Resistance gives a  % increase to Magical Damage Reduction depending on fixed thresholds

  • -300 -> -595%
  • -300 to -15 = 2% each, up to -25%
  • -15 to 10 = 1% each, up to 0%
  • 10 to 19 = 0.5% each, up to 4.5%
  • 19 to 30 = 0.4% each, up to 8.9%
  • 30 to 40 = 0.3% each, up to 11.9%
  • 40 to 50 = 0.2% each, up to 13.9%
  • 50 to 100 = 0.1% each, up to 18.9%
  • 100 to 150 = 0.2% each, up to 28.9%
  • 150 to 250 = 0.3% each, up to 58.9%
  • 250 to 350 = 0.2% each, up to 78.9%
  • 350 to 500 = 0.1% each, up to 93.9%


  • Starts from -50 instead of -300 for better visibility


Buff Duration

Buff Duration governs the duration of temporary beneficial status effects.

0 Will starts at = -80% Buff Duration

Every Will gives point gives a  % increase to Buff Duration depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -80%
  • 0 to 5 = 10% each, up to -30%
  • 5 to 7 = 5% each, up to -20%
  • 7 to 11 = 3% each, up to -8%
  • 11 to 15 = 2% each, up to 0%
  • 15 to 50 = 1% each, up to 35%
  • 50 to 100 = 0.5% each, up to 60%


Debuff Duration

Debuff Duration governs the duration of temporary negative status effects.

0 Will starts at = 400% Debuff Duration

Every Will point gives a  % increase to Debuff Duration

  • 0 -> 400%
  • 0 to 1 = 170%each, up to233%)
  • 1 to 2 = 83% -> 150%
  • 2 to 3 = 50% -> 100%
  • 3 to 4 = 33.3% -> 66.7%
  • 4 to 5 = 23.8% -> 42.9%
  • 5 to 6 = 9.6% -> 33.3%
  • 6 to 7 = 8.3% -> 25%

...

  • 100 = -37.5%

Use the chart for accurate info.

The decrease slowly slows down with different reduction amounts that is not logarithmic nor linear.

Knowledge

Spell Casting Speed

Spell Casting Speed governs the speed at which you cast magical spells.

0 Knowledge starts at = -95% Spell Casting Speed

Every Knowledge point gives a % increase to Spell Casting speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -93%
  • 0 to 1 = 0% per point -> (threshold at -93%)
  • 1 to 19 = 5% -> -3%
  • 20 to 30 = 3% -> 30%
  • 31 to 40 = 4% -> 70%
  • 40 to 45 = 3% -> 85%
  • 45 to 100 = 2% -> 195%


Magical Interaction Speed

Magical Interaction Speed affects the speed with which the player interacts with magical objects, such as Shrines and Portals.

0 Knowledge starts at = -75% Magical Interaction Speed

Every Knowledge point gives a  % increase to Magical Interaction Speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -75%
  • 0 to 15 = 5% each, up to 0%
  • 15 to 25 = 7% each, up to 70%
  • 25 to 35 = 5% each, up to 120%
  • 35 to 84 = 2% each, up to 218%
  • 84 to 85 = 1% each, up to 219%
  • 85 to 86 = 3% each, up to 222%
  • 86 to 100 = 2% each, up to 250%

Spell Memory/Capacity

Spell Memory or Spell Capacity govern your spell cost cap, meaning equipping spells that exceed this cap will not be usable.

0 Knowledge starts at = 0 Spell Memory/Capacity

Every Knowledge point gives an increase to Spell Capacity

  • 0 to 6 -> 0
  • 6 to 100 = 1 each, up to 100


Each point of Spell Capacity affects how many Spell Points you recover when Resting, Meditating, sitting at a Campfire, or when under the effects of a Clarity Potion. See Spell Restoration for more details.

Resourcefulness

Interaction Speed

Increase Interaction Speed value * 0.6.

Check Interaction Speed for more

Interaction Speed

Interaction Speed governs the speed at which you interact with objects/mechanisms in the dungeon.

Value = Agility * 0.4 + Resourcefulness * 0.6

0 value starts at = -75% Interaction Speed

Every value gives a  % increase to Interaction Speed depending on fixed thresholds

  • 0 -> -55%
  • 0 to 5 = 5% each, up to -30%
  • 5 to 15 = 3% each, up to 0%
  • 15 to 25 = 7% each, up to 70%
  • 25 to 35 = 5% each, up to 120%
  • 35 to 84 = 2% each, up to 218%
  • 84 to 85 = 1% each, up to 219%
  • 85 to 86 = 3% each, up to 222%
  • 86 to 100 = 2% each, up to 250%


Physical Damage Reduction

Physical Damage Reduction governs your resistance to physical damage dealing weapons and projectiles. Unlike Magic Resistance that is increased by Will, Armor Rating does not have an attribute stat that it scales off.

Armor Rating can go as low as -300 = -595% Physical Damage Reduction

0 Armor Rating starts at = -22% Physical Damage Reduction

Every Armor Rating point gives a  % increase to Physical Damage Reduction depending on fixed thresholds

  • -300 -> -619%
  • -300 to -3 = 2% each, up to -25%
  • -3 to 22 = 1% each, up to 0%
  • 22 to 31 = 0.5% each, up to 4.5%
  • 31 to 42 = 0.4% each, up to 8.9%
  • 42 to 52 = 0.3% each, up to 11.9%
  • 52 to 62 = 0.2% each, up to 13.9%
  • 62 to 112 = 0.1% each, up to 18.9%
  • 112 to 175 = 0.2% each, up to 31.5%
  • 175 to 262 = 0.3% each, up to 57.6%
  • 262 to 317 = 0.2% each, up to 68.6%
  • 317 to 400 = 0.1% each, up to 76.9%
  • 400 to 424 = 0.05% each, up to 78.1%
  • 424 to 450 = 0.025% each, up to 78.75%
  • 450 to 500 = 0.02% each, up to 79.75%

Armor cap is 85% which can be reached by other perks and shrine buffs.



  • Graph Starts from -49 instead of -300 for better visibility

Luck

Luck increases chance of getting better loot rarity. Whoever opens the loot first, their luck is used to calculate the drops.

Luck stat affects each rarity differently. Luck Cap in the game is 500.

It is only possible to get maximum of 250 Luck in the game currently:

  • Junk: Each luck decreases chance by 0.1%, 500 Luck: 0.5x Chance
  • Poor: Each luck decreases chance by 0.1%, 500 Luck: 0.5x Chance
  • Common: Each luck decreases chance by 0.05%, 500 Luck: 0.75x Chance
  • Uncommon is not affected by luck
  • Rare: not linear, diminishing returns, 500 Luck: 3.5x Chance
  • Epic: not linear, diminishing returns, 500 Luck: 3.88x Chance
  • Legendary: not linear, diminishing returns, 500 Luck: 4.25x Chance
  • Unique: not linear, diminishing returns, 500 Luck: 4.38x Chance

Luck Value Table

Luck Junk Poor Common Uncommon Rare Epic Legendary Unique
50 x0.95 x0.95 x0.975 x1.0 x1.48 x1.54 x1.62 x1.64
100 x0.90 x0.90 x0.95 x1.0 x1.90 x2.04 x2.17 x2.22
150 x0.85 x0.85 x0.925 x1.0 x2.28 x2.47 x2.66 x2.72
200 x0.80 x0.80 x0.90 x1.0 x2.60 x2.84 x3.08 x3.17
250 x0.75 x0.75 x0.875 x1.0 x2.88 x3.16 x3.45 x3.54

It is important to note that Luck only increases chance of finding a high tier loot only if looted container/corpse has a chance of droping high tier loot.

Check Lootables to see which lootables drop high tier loot.

Enchantment Stats

Stats that come from weapons, armors or jewelry imbued with item enchantments.

Additional Magical Damage

Increases Magical Damage dealt (not affected by Magical Power Bonus).

Additional Physical Damage

Increases Physical Magical Damage dealt (not affected by Physical Power Bonus).

All Attributes/Primitive

Increases all Attributes (Strength, Agility, Will, Knowledge, Resourcefulness).

Armor Penetration

Armor Penetration governs the amount of physical damage you do that will completely bypass your enemy's armor rating.

Unlike in game description, armor pen decreases Physical Damage Reduction instead of Armor Rating. It has no affect on negative Physical Damage Reduction.

% Physical Damage Reduced = (100 - Attacker's Armor Pen) * Target's Physical Damage Reduction

100 Armor Penetration would decrease Damage reduced to 0.

This modifier cannot bring Damage Reduction below 0%. There is no functional difference between 105% Penetration and 100% Penetration. This modifier also does nothing if the target's Damage Reduction % is 0% or less.

Headshot Reduction

Headshot Reduction governs the amount of mitigated damage conferred by wearing protective head gear.

Decreases the headshot multiplier by flat amount. For example, normal headshot deals 150%, if the enemy has Armet which has 18% Headshot Reduction, instead it deals 150-18 = 132% damage

Impact Power

Impact Power governs the strength of your weapon strikes against a target, it determines if you can break objects and stagger blocking enemies.

Magic Penetration

Magic Penetration governs the amount of magical damage you do that will completely bypass your enemy's magic resistance rating.

% Magical Damage Reduced = (100 - Attacker's Magic Pen) * Target's Magical Damage Reduction

100 Magical Penetration would decrease Damage reduced to 0.

This modifier cannot bring Damage Reduction below 0%. There is no functional difference between 105% Penetration and 100% Penetration. This modifier also does nothing if the target's Damage Reduction % is 0% or less.

Magical Healing

Increases total healing done by magic (Cleric's heal spells and Warlock's Torture Mastery)

(Base Heal Amount + (Magical Healing * Scaling of Spell)) * Magic Power Bonus

Scaling info:

  • Lesser Heal = 50%
  • Holy Light = 50%
  • Sanctuary = 50% per second (250% total)
  • Magic Power Bonus = 50%
  • Torture Mastery = 50%

Physical Healing

Increases total healing done by potions, troll's blood.

Projectile Reduction

Projectile Reduction governs the amount of mitigated damage from projectiles.

True Magical Damage

Increases Magical Damage dealt that is not influenced by enemy defences or headshot/limb multipliers.

True Physical Damage

Increases Physical Damage dealt that is not influenced by enemy defences or headshot/limb multipliers.

Weapon Damage

Increases Weapon damage. Does not increase damage not dealt by the weapon, like from Rogue's Rupture, or Barbarian's Achilles Strike's movement ticks.


Unimplemented Stats

These stats are not yet implemented.

Utility Effectiveness

Determines the bonus effectiveness of your utility items

Retrieved from "http://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/index.php?title=Stats&oldid=12925"
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The latest magic changes
Zirankaoyu | Posted on Mar 12, 2025 at 2:34 pm

I can't believe that the physical and magical curves in a game could be modified to be the same. This is too strange. Are the basic damage of melee weapons and magic weapons the same concept? What is the difference between physical damage and magical damage? This is a ridiculous change. I think there is a better solution to weaken the magic profession.I think game planners are being lazy when making this decision.

PDB and MDB
Yukinon | Posted on Mar 9, 2025 at 11:58 am | Last edited on Mar 9, 2025 at 11:59 am

With this latest patch the notes have:

- Flattened the Physical Damage Bonus (PDB) curve at the upper end.

- Updated the Magical Damage Bonus (MDB) curve so it now matches the new PDB curve.

But in testing last night I noticed that the PDB chart still matches what is in game, while the MDB chart doesn't. Was the PDB chart updated while the other wasn't or is something else going on?

Raw Salad | Posted on Mar 15, 2025 at 9:03 pm

There was an issue in the wiki update pipeline that delayed info for HF80. Issue has now been resolved and automated data is back up to date.

Any word on Luck?
jose peralta | Posted on Feb 11, 2025 at 11:44 pm

is luck working?

Raw Salad | Posted on Feb 16, 2025 at 10:27 pm

We do not have enough data for a statistically significant conclusion.

Right now there is a "trend" in the user-collected drop data that supports the idea of luck working, but working far weaker than previously believed. The wiki has been adjusted with this idea in mind, but keep in mind that luck not working is still quite a realistic possibility. We went with assumption that it works since the data supports that a bit better and this interpretation is favorable toward IronMace. We don't wish to cause the IronMace grief and undue work by leading the community to believe the more extreme interpretation of collected data.

Physical Power &amp; Magic Power chart
Pinstrip | Posted on Jan 26, 2025 at 8:01 pm

Something seems off with the physical power and the Magic Power chart, as a naked fighter I have 16 Physical Power, shouldn't I have 15? When I equip riveted gloves it jumps to 17 which is correct according to the graph. The same goes for Magic Power

Georgosik | Posted on Jan 30, 2025 at 9:19 am

It is just a visual bug. Even with 16 Physical Power, the Physical Power Bonus still stands for 0% how it should be. So grey (poor) Riveted Gloves gives you 2 Strength ->17 Physical Power and as a result Physical Power Bonus raises up to 2%.

Magical resistance chart
Piti | Posted on Jan 23, 2025 at 3:22 pm

Numbers between Magical Resistance chart and in game (Magic Resist Rating) doesn't match

A nude Fighter has 15 will which equals to 30 Magic Rating, which equals to 7,8 Magic Resis OK

But

A nude Druid has 18 will, looking at the chart this should be equal to 30 + (from 15 to 33: 4 each) 3 X 4 = 12 --> 42 Magic Resist Rating which would be equal to (33 magic resis bottom segment) 9% + (from 33 to 53: 0,3 each) 9 X 0,3 = 11,7% Magic Resis

However in game a nude Druid is displayed with 52 Magic Rating and 14,7% Magic Resis (A player with 52 magic resis does actually adds up to 14,7 magic resis, so it is the will conversion which is different in the chart)

Georgosik | Posted on Jan 30, 2025 at 9:23 am

For my Druid (and Barb with the same 18 will) I have 42 Magic Resist Rating which gives me 11.7% Magic Resistance as in the chart.

I believe you probably use Skeleton Skin which increases your Magic Resistance by 10.

Piti | Posted on Feb 2, 2025 at 1:04 am

Lol you are completly right, I completly forgot about that... what a dude, ty!!!

护甲
茹斯坦木索巴 | Posted on Dec 23, 2024 at 8:32 am

200——300护甲值的物理伤害减免实际上比统计表上的少了0.1%

Magic resistance or Magical Damage Reduction
anonymous | Posted on Oct 21, 2024 at 3:05 pm

Which one is better to stack if fighting against Wizard/Warlock?

Magic resistance per Will from 20 to 28 is 4 not 5
anonymous | Posted on Oct 18, 2024 at 10:15 am

title

Did they revert the armor scaling nerf?
anonymous | Posted on Oct 1, 2024 at 3:50 am

Did they revert the armor scaling nerf? Why does it say 175 to 230 = 0.3% each, up to 48%, it used to be 0.25% per after they nerfed it?

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anonymous | Posted on Aug 11, 2024 at 2:11 am

Why can't the loss duration bonus and gain duration bonus be applied to others?

anonymous | Posted on Oct 3, 2024 at 12:20 pm

Weird question. "Because it's designed that way"

But if you are voicing your disagreement, I do somewhat agree with you. After all, they did make a stat for that, but for specific calss - Bard has Persuasiveness, that governs length of buffs and debuffs applied by bards to targets (that is additionally modifiet by target's own buff\debuff duration bonus). Wouldn't mind similar effect to have on other casters and even martials (Barb shouts, for example)

Skill Cooldown Reducation calculation.
anonymous | Posted on Jul 11, 2024 at 2:56 am

"Cooldown Reduction reduces the cooldowns of skills/perks. Reduced cooldown length = Base Cooldown * (1 - Cooldown Reduction)

Note that perk cooldowns are in the form of a buff/debuff and are additionally affected by Buff/Debuff Duration. Reduced cooldown length = Post buff/debuff duration cooldown * (1 - Cooldown Reduction)"

Since some skills/perk also is affected by Buff/Debuff, how do you implement that to the total skill's cooldown time?

ParadoxArcher | Posted on Aug 3, 2024 at 7:41 am

I mean, the cooldown timer is only considered started when the status effect ends. If you were looking for an exact amount of time between applications of a debuff then you can just add the debuff duration to the cooldown.

Hand Crossbow equip speed
Hiimray | Posted on Jul 8, 2024 at 7:40 am

The Item Equip Speed speed section says that weapons equip instantly and therefore don't benefit from the stat, but equipping a Hand Crossbow as a Rogue does seem to have a progress bar (progress circle?). I haven't tested anything with other classes.

ParadoxArcher | Posted on Aug 1, 2024 at 8:51 am

I noticed it and knew it was inaccurate too, I have tested a plethora of items and resolved the issue

Physical Damage Reduction Curve Not Accurate as of Most Recent Update
anonymous | Posted on Jul 8, 2024 at 6:27 am

Physical damage reduction curve currently isn't correct; they updated it about 3 days ago for Early Access Hotfix #55: "Slightly lowered the amount of Physical Damage Resistance earned per Armor Rating within the upper sweet spot of the curve (~200 Armor Rating.)".

I tested it to double check, and the armor does indeed have some new sort of scaling in the 175-230 region that isn't described above. When I increased armor from 175 to 181, I gained 1.5% reduction instead of the expected 1.8% damage reduction (33% total), and when I increased it by another 15 armor to 196, instead of gaining 4.5% reduction, I only gained 3.7% (36.7% total)

Knowledge in Martial Class Stat Spreads is Frustrating (Especially Without Multiclassing)
anonymous | Posted on Jul 5, 2024 at 3:18 am

After reading over this wiki to better understand the game and how it works, and finally reaching this page, I feel like this is something I need to point out and see if anyone else agrees: Knowledge is a really frustrating stat because of it's inequality between martial and caster classes.

I understand that Ironmace can't just give every non-caster class a base 5 in Knowledge like Barb has and allocate those extra points somewhere more useful, but it's also somewhat annoying to see that it's not even uniform amongst the other martial classes. Rogue has 10, Ranger has 12, and Fighter has 15. Granted, Fighter has 15 in *everything*, but still, I find it strange and a little irritating that the only true "dump stat" for martials is still at least a two-digit number for everything but Barb. I know Multiclassing used to be a thing sometime before the current update, which I guess is the only reason that Knowledge might be useful on a martial class, but without Multiclassing in the game currently it just feels bad to see these points allocated into a stat that does precisely nothing for martials.

And even WITH Multiclassing, only Fighter has a base Knowledge stat comparable to any of the casting classes (Warlock in particular with their base 15) to make it actually useful in any degree - which feels wrong to me, coming from a Dungeons & Dragons background. In Dungeons & Dragons, Rangers are half-casters while Eldritch Knight Fighters are only third-casters - same as Arcane Trickster Rogues. Yet based on Knowledge in this game, Fighters are on par with Warlocks, Rangers are like half-casters, and Rogues like third-casters. I know that Dark and Darker isn't meant to be one-to-one with Dungeons & Dragons (despite both sharing the D&D/DnD abbreviation, humorously enough), but it still just feels wrong to me. Even from a purely Dark and Darker perspective, if the intent is to give some martials a little bit better Knowledge to incentivize/permit multiclassing into casting, would 10 or 12 base Knowledge even be worth it? Even base 15 Knowledge feels a little limited with it's Memory Cap of 9; a base Cap of 6, and especially 4, just sounds like an awful waste of a Skill slot and Weapon slot to me. And that's even before considering the extra Knowledge, Memory Cap, Casting Speed, etc. rolls you'd want on gear just to catch up and make multiclass casting worth it - rolls which are actively competing against the standard desirable rolls for Rogues and Rangers.

Does anyone else share this sentiment about Knowledge on non-casters being a point of contention? I almost feel like Knowledge should have some other effect that isn't specifically casting-related. After all, every other stat in the game has something it influences that makes it necessary to some degree, like Action and Regular Action Speeds. Why should Knowledge be the only one that gives absolutely no upside to classes that don't have spells, yet still have upwards of 10 Knowledge? I don't even have a proposition as to what Knowledge could influence, because everything else stat-wise makes sense and is well-thought out. Knowledge just feels really weird as a stat that's only important for casters. It almost makes me think that it should be removed, and things like Memory Capacity, Recovery, and Spellcasting Speed should be delegated to other stats. But that would be unfair to casters in the same way that it's currently unfair to martial classes (well, not the SAME way; more like the opposite side of the same coin). I don't know, maybe I'm weird for thinking about it in this way, but seeing how the other stats work compared to Knowledge, it just makes Knowledge feel somewhat flawed, without an obvious fix or solution.

anonymous | Posted on Jul 28, 2024 at 2:35 pm

Invis pots have a knowledge requirement of 15 as of July 2024, which is notable for barb as it prevents them from being a one shot landmine, so the knowledge stat isn’t useless and there is a niche build for landmine barb that knowledge is build for.

anonymous | Posted on Oct 3, 2024 at 12:16 pm

Some time ago, Knowledge did affect Magical Interaction Speed (Shrines, opening escape protal) instead of Will. I feel like that was at least marginally useful for all classes, and made sense. Completly discagree with moving that to Will, that is already affecting 4 other stats.

In addition, Knowledge can get a few usefull additions to other clases. For example spell recovery speed could begin affecting rechargable skills or separate skill recovery speed could affect that, perhaps scaling from Resoursfulness and Knowledge - I can see rogue quickly crafting caltrops during short rest at a campfire if it was rechargable, same with pseudo-meditating fighter, using his knowledge about breathing techniques to recover second wind. More wastefull Barbarian will recover his blood exchange slower, unless he builds some knowldge and\or resoursfulness.

Other idea is to move either buff or debuff duration bonus to knowledge. You can thematicly argue for each of them: "I know how prayers to gods, so Bless keeps for longer, and I can keep the bard's tune for more time" or, "I know how to deal with being poisoned and a quick chant against a curse"

spell casting speed calculation is wrong
DrunkHostage | Posted on Jun 2, 2024 at 11:24 am | Last edited on Jun 2, 2024 at 11:25 am

The curve and the spell casting speed calculation are wrong. We now have more spell casting speed than mentioned on the wiki. I did the tests by comparing and calculating with the knowledge on the game. The same may be true of regular interaction speed, which was changed at the same time as spell casting speed.

anonymous | Posted on Jun 6, 2024 at 1:01 am

With the most recent update, a lot of this is wrong. Agility and move speed is way different, agility doesn't effect it as much for example.

Sur | Posted on Jun 23, 2024 at 8:34 pm

Updated a few days after patch

High Armor Penetration
anonymous | Posted on Apr 25, 2024 at 5:06 am

If a class can manage pull off more than 100% Armor Penetration, Example: 125% Armor Penetration 58 Windlass Crossbow

Will it do a bit more damage?

Thank you in advance!


anonymous | Posted on Apr 27, 2024 at 11:13 am

Armor penetration does not allow you to reduce an opponents armor past 0% and you don't benefit from having over 100%.

If you click the Armor Penetration embed in the Enchantments table just above this comment section, it will bring you to the wiki's Damage page. There you can find detailed information on how it's calculated and what it's limitations are (such as not being able to reduce damage reduction past 0%), as well as similar information of other stats if you're interested.

Cheers, Solace

Poisoned Weapon &amp; Magic Resist
anonymous | Posted on Apr 23, 2024 at 5:43 pm

Does Poisoned Weapon from Rogue is affected by Magic Resist?

anonymous | Posted on Apr 27, 2024 at 10:33 pm

If your asking if enemy magic resist can block the poison damage then yes. However due to the damage being rounded, and poison damage ticks being so low, it would be hard to reduce it by any significant amount. Because each stack would have it's own formula. Since rogue poison's base is 1 damage per second, if you have 5 stacks, it will never reduce below 5 damage per second since each stack of 1 damage per second will always round to 1 damage at the lowest. Damage over time also only receives 50% bonus ratio to it's scaling and it does not scale per tick, it's per total damage dealt overtime and rogues poison being only 4 seconds means that the 4 damage over time total is hard to increase significantly with any percentage scaling (however this means additional and true damage would scale it much nicer). So overall it's pretty hard to increase the amount of damage per poison tick to a significant enough number where magic resist would be able to effectively stop it. So it does defend against it, just not very well due to the way poison stacks rather then being counted as 1 buff. Also in general nobody really builds magic resist except warlocks who don't have multi class lol.

anonymous | Posted on Jun 12, 2024 at 11:42 am

Yesterday I tried rogue's poisoned perks on a dummy, and on a tick it was shown 0 damage / tick on 1 stack and 4 damage / tick on 5, why ?

Question with Bow
anonymous | Posted on Mar 21, 2024 at 8:29 am

What stats should we prioritize to increase damage with bows?

Gdubrocks | Posted on Mar 22, 2024 at 12:36 am

Strength increases damage with bows. Getting 15 should be a priority.

Grass | Posted on Mar 28, 2024 at 4:14 am | Last edited on Mar 28, 2024 at 4:15 am

+true physical is a favored modifier as it is not affected by damage falloff or the %50 limb modifiers, although there is no %150 headshot modifier as well (What I mean is if you have 2 true phys, no matter where you hit or what distance you shoot at you are hitting for 2 damage before enemy PDR)

Questions about the upper limit of movement speed.
anonymous | Posted on Mar 10, 2024 at 10:10 pm

I know that the current move speed limit is 350, if my stats are calculated to 380 and I use a -30 weapon, will I move at 350 or 320?

Raw Salad | Posted on Mar 23, 2024 at 5:15 pm | Last edited on Apr 2, 2024 at 11:26 pm

You will move at 350.


Say your stats come out to 385 ms.

When you equip that weapon you have 385-30=355. Which is then capped to 350.

In terms of operation order, the hard cap is applied after everything else.

Reg. Interaction Speed on Weapon
anonymous | Posted on Dec 6, 2023 at 6:36 am

Does this work, assuming I've got the weapon out in hand when I interact?

Esthelion | Posted on Dec 9, 2023 at 9:59 am

Yes.

Weapon Damage, spellbook
anonymous | Posted on Sep 27, 2023 at 2:57 am

Does weapon damage on a spellbook make the spells more powerful? hit more?

anonymous | Posted on Oct 10, 2023 at 8:34 pm

No. Magic Power, True Magic Damage and Addition Magic Damage are what you want for spells.

House | Posted on Nov 18, 2023 at 5:47 pm | Last edited on Nov 18, 2023 at 5:49 pm

If you mean magical damage, the damage on books, then yes it's the most important stat for dmg for wizards and warlocks. Everything multiplies from it becoming exponentially stronger just like weapon damage on all other weapons. It does nothing for cleric heals but can affect their damaging spells.

anonymous | Posted on Feb 20, 2024 at 8:52 pm

Weapon Damage will not roll as one of the stats on a Spellbook if, however, it was able to than the answer is no. mb i replied to this in the comment above :p

reload speed
anonymous | Posted on Sep 13, 2023 at 6:42 am

Is any stat affect reload speed for crossbow and bow ?

anonymous | Posted on Sep 16, 2023 at 6:36 pm

Agi and Action Speed

Sur | Posted on Mar 31, 2024 at 11:48 pm

Just action speed, see https://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Action/Interaction/Cast_Speed#Action_Speed